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MadAragorn
Changes of farming due to 50% locking
Sep 9 2009, 6:50 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 9 2009, 6:50 AM EDT
The problem with the introduction of a 50% maximum lock is that previously time spent sp-farming was not an issue. All of your exp would be turned into gp so you never had to worry about loosing out on sp due to an increased lvl. With the 50% that is not true anymore. Time has become limited as you will gather exp whilst farming.

Because of this the best sp-farming place is not the place that gives you the most sp per mob anymore, (Prokion), because there you also get a considerable amount of exp. Instead the place now is where you find a mob who has the best ration of sp vs exp.

For example, at lvl 3 a fox will give you 9 (OR 14, I noticed there are two types of foxes, one giving you 14 exp, the other 9) for 1100 sp.

You have to compare it with the other mobs available. Again for instance:

Mob exp sp ratio (sp/exp)

Fox 11.5 (averaged) 1100 95.65
Deer 9 440 48.89
Wolf 27 1237 45.81

At lvl 4 the above numbers become:

Fox 10 (averaged) 962 96.20
Deer 8 385 48.13
Wolf 25 1100 44.00

And for lvl 5:

Fox 7.5 (averaged) 825 110.00
Deer 6 330 55.00
Wolf 21 962 45.80

So why would this be important? Example. To reach Lvl 5, you need 1161 exp. You'll need to kill 47 wolves to gain that level.In that time that you kill the wolves, you will have gained 47 * 1100 = 51700 sp (5 skill points). For deer 146 kills, 56210 sp and for foxes: 117 kills, 112554 sp (11 skill points!!!).

You can gain a lot more of skill points by checking out which mobs give you the best sp/exp ratio

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MadAragorn
1. RE: Changes of farming due to 50% locking
Sep 9 2009, 7:01 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 9 2009, 7:01 AM EDT
Just as comparison: In Prokion at lvl 29, I believe you get 8000 - 9000 exp per sargie and 5500 sp. (Please correct me where wrong).

The sp/exp ratio for the sargie is therefore a PITIFUL 0.64!!!!. Yes, PER KILL do sargies give you the most sp at lvl 29, but compared with what you can find outside PER LEVEL, they are not that good. In fact they are BAAADDDD! And this all JUST because the maximum lock level went down from 100% to 50%.

Note: when using a pssp, which is time related, you still MUST fight in prokion to gain the most additional sp per hour.

Of course, you can also try it out yourself. Don't believe me, but verify yourself. See what an equivalent mob OUTSIDE Prokion can give you with regards to sp and then compare it with the sargie. You'll be amazed. Do you find this valuable?    

MadAragorn
2. RE: Changes of farming due to 50% locking
Sep 9 2009, 10:16 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 9 2009, 10:16 AM EDT
Some more number crunching.

Lvl 6:

Fox 5.5 (averaged) 687 124.91
Deer 4 275 68.75
Wolf 12 687 57.25
Elder Wolf 30 962 32.07

And finally lvl 7:

Fox 1 550 550.00 (BLUE)
Deer 1 220 220.00 (BLUE)
Wolf 12 687 57.25
Elder Wolf 24 825 34.38
Dire Wolf 44 962 21.86.

So, if you are looking at getting the maximum amount of sp, go for the mobs that just turned blue (fox at lvl 7). Since you need 10535 exp to reach lvl 8, fighting foxes will net you 10535 * 550 = 5.794.250 sp or 579 skill points!!!.

Unfortunately I am also lvling a pet, so I went to the wolves instead. It will still net me 60 skill points. Or I could get myself locked and will get 120 for my efforts. Of course, it will take time to level with the lower level mobs but if I remember the months I spent in prokion fighting just Orcs to gather sp, I know which route I would rather take.

But I will update the information just in case someone is actually interested in this. LOL.
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5fingers
5fingers
3. RE: Changes of farming due to 50% locking
Sep 9 2009, 12:18 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 9 2009, 12:18 PM EDT
Yea, i have a toon and trying to figure out what to do. And keeping notes like you. The bad thing is from level 10 on down, if you die you do not lose xp or sp, so the suicide is out the window now.

Went to radio shack and DROPPED my cheapy calculator and window cracked, lol. $4 out the window. One thing, i have mentioned though is to get locked as soon as you get out of the dungeon. Anything to slow down xp is worth it. But I have to also look at another angle. Would it be FASTER to level to level 17 and start sp farming or do it like you sp farm along the way.

Again, I will see now. BUT I will take your info and put it in the wiki. The idea of the wiki is to give the player POSSIBILITIES of what he might do. Then if they like your way, they go for it, (Then I pk them and robbed them of their gold, lol, jk) or use my way. I rarely have help here to editing the wiki now.

FYI, this wiki is a hobby not a job. LOL So i work on it when i am not leveling or fixing my car. But you had the same idea I had. At one time, I had told people, when we had 100% xp lock, that killing drakes was faster to get sp. They were easier to kill and you did not have to worry about dying. But then others just look at the ONE sp the drake gives, versus the higher mob. But I tell people to kill drakes for say 10 minutes and the other mob for 10 minutes and the drakes will win out. Again, it is quantity. Yes the drake has lower sp but if you can kill say 3 drakes versus the higher mob, then more sp is gained. I have had this HEATED discussion on the forum. See, people do not test or write down or time results. I do.

Anyway, In the next few days, I will put your info in the STRATEGY GUIDE. That is where all the "Juicy Stuff" goes. Then your section, as others will be linked to other sections. Like Character guide or click knight guide, same links now. Do you find this valuable?    
5fingers
5fingers
4. RE: Changes of farming due to 50% locking
Sep 9 2009, 12:23 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 9 2009, 12:23 PM EDT
here is a section from the STRATEGY GUIDE.

http://www.lastchaosguide.com/page/The+Art+of+SP+Farming

Then again, Manana, i got to organize it and put all the say, sp farming sections together with one background color and then do same for other parts there. And manana never comes, lol. Do you find this valuable?    

MadAragorn
5. RE: Changes of farming due to 50% locking
Sep 10 2009, 8:02 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 10 2009, 8:02 AM EDT
Most appreciated. 8-)

But I can imagine the heated discussions. I just had a lvl 100+ explain to me the follies of my way, but he then had to admit that he had done his farming a long time ago so didn't know how the change to 50% would have affected him, LOL.

Mind you, the above is just a work in progress. Whether, in the end, is is feasable or not remains to be seen. But I'll find out, sooner or later. 8-).

Anyway, to keep track of the progress, here's the lvl 8 info.

Fox 1 412 412.00 (BLUE)
Deer 1 165 165.00 (BLUE)
Wolf 2 550 125.00 (BLUE)
Elder Wolf 18 687 38.16 (GREEN)
Dire Wolf 35 825 23.07 (GREEN)
Berserker Wolf 100 1320 13.20 (WHITE).

But it's going to be interesting to see how much skill points I have gained at lvl 17. So far I have about 200, with about 80 spent on a defense passive. But it will be difficult to compare actual results because events do change the results. And am waiting for the GM to lock me. But he likes to sleep long, LOL.
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5fingers
5fingers
6. RE: Changes of farming due to 50% locking
Sep 10 2009, 2:18 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 10 2009, 2:18 PM EDT
Another thing i forgot to mention. I got xp locked right out of the dungeon and am doing the max sp thing too. But AFTER i get to level 17, I will then time sp. You see I will also look at it, if it is faster to just level to Level 17 and get the 5500 sp there. That may be actually quicker now. lol Once you get the exact sp, you recall to dratan, get skills, then kill yourself to 0% xp. But when i get to level 17, I will count the sp I have accumulated. Then figure out how long at level 17 will it take me to get as much. Then I can tell what to do more efficiently. Personally, I think it will be better to level to 17 and start sp farming there. But again, I have to personally check it out too, before it goes on wiki.

Now your stuff, I will put in wiki, but when I put my stuff it, that means it has the Good Seal of Approval, LMAO But again, GOOD to get your opinion too.

BUT, the only thing, that I will do is to suggest to make pet trainer first for those that do not read my intro. That way they get playing time so when they make pet trainer then go to make main toon they can make level there toon faster if they have a high level But that will be a NOTE put above certain sections.
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DivataRoza
DivataRoza
7. RE: Changes of farming due to 50% locking
Sep 14 2009, 1:16 PM EDT | Post edited: Sep 14 2009, 1:16 PM EDT
At lvl 15 I went to Prok for ghouls as they give the most SP per kill. Locked at 50% I could not get the 65 sp I needed.
I went to the Sasks - easyer to kill and roughli 2 SP per 1% XP. It looks slower, but at 33% I had the 65 SP I needed. Got the skill and ran to the Ebony Mines. This is the fastest way to reset XP to 0% Do you find this valuable?    
5fingers
5fingers
8. RE: Changes of farming due to 50% locking
Sep 22 2009, 8:08 AM EDT | Post edited: Sep 22 2009, 8:08 AM EDT
Yea, i explained in the wiki about a hit/kill ratio. Like in the Good, Ole, days (lol) it was better to kill drakes for sp as they were easy to kill and you did not have to worry about dying. You could get more sp in one hour there, then going against the higher mob 2 levels up. The thing was QUATITY. One drake had like nearly 1/2 the sp of the other mob, BUT you could kill drakes like 2-3 times faster, therefore you get more sp.

People look at One mob and try to compare sp. Yes, you do, but you have to look at the "How fast can i kill it" compared to others.

DivataRoza has the idea though. But again, some of this stuff is in the STRATEGY GUIDE. Gotta read all that JUNK there, lol. Do you find this valuable?    

Mercades
9. RE: Changes of farming due to 50% locking
Oct 23 2009, 2:14 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 23 2009, 2:16 PM EDT
Is they any good place to farm for a lvl 65? Do you find this valuable?    
DivataRoza
DivataRoza
10. RE: Changes of farming due to 50% locking
Oct 23 2009, 5:24 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 23 2009, 5:24 PM EDT
spiders in the Tepmle of Forgetfulness or Bogles in Eghea Do you find this valuable?    
5fingers
5fingers
11. RE: Changes of farming due to 50% locking
Oct 25 2009, 8:35 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 25 2009, 8:35 PM EDT
If you want to sp at ANY level, just click the "Monster Guide" to the left and see what mob is your level. Now at level 60, I sp farmed on bogles starting at level 59 - 61. Reason, I also drop hunted too, and made a killing on drops. But again, that was at the 100% xp lock. But even at 50% lock, might as well make some money on the side anyway.

BTW, i ended up buying a knight level event weapon +15 for 110 mill. Then later in a few months, with enough sp saved then i will power level to 40 real quick. People do not listen anyway. But at each mob level, it takes longer to kill. So at level 17 with +15 weapon I go to town. But i make sure i have spb and pots on. That way, i can make the 1500sp or more in an hour. Do you find this valuable?